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Post by Si Quan on Jun 2, 2006 20:45:18 GMT -5
It is not posible for one being to have complete and total power. And on your argument about helping people is hurting humanity, people and things in nature thrive on helping, sharing, having relationships. Things need each other to survive.
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Post by philly on Jun 2, 2006 20:53:16 GMT -5
They do need each other to survive, but not in a helpful way. A lion eats an antelope to survive. People kill all forms of life whether it be for food or because they just dont like them; why? To further humanity. The strong must pray on the weak in order for progress to be made. You cant deny what is only natural.
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Post by Si Quan on Jun 2, 2006 20:56:43 GMT -5
That is natural and that is the way of life. But the kind of death the darkside brings is not in any way natural. You cannot say that killing anyone as you please, or mass murdering a civilization or planet benefits humanity.
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Post by philly on Jun 2, 2006 21:00:54 GMT -5
all who are killed deserve death. if they were stronger they would have survived, but they are weak and there for a pox on society. Their death is inconsiquetial in the grand scheme of things; and the strength I gain from the smiting of my enemies is well worth their short, pointless lives.
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Post by Si Quan on Jun 2, 2006 21:06:24 GMT -5
While I could argue with every word you just said, I'll just ask this:
You yourself said that you matter most, that a person should care for themselves and not others. But, in your previous post, you said one person doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, and you are correct,in the grand scheme of things, nothing matters I suppose. Yet if nothing really maters overall, why kill others? Why cause grief and despair in others if none of it matters, if there is no point to it? So my sith friend Cain, what matters most, you yourself, or the grand scheme of things?
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Post by philly on Jun 2, 2006 21:12:35 GMT -5
First of all, I didnt say one person didnt matter, i said the death's of the weak did not matter. And that is what we are all trying to achieve; to matter in the grand scheme of things. to change things as you see fit, to be remembered. As I said before, the amount of power one can have is limited only by how far they are willing to go to get it. It is my belief that I can and will matter, and those who lack the will to do so, are not worthy of life.
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Post by Lord Nexus on Jun 2, 2006 21:47:48 GMT -5
I have to agree with philly. Those who are too weak to survive on their own don't deserve mercy or life for that matter. Now, I would never show mercy to some one considerbly weaker then myself. But if they were close to my own power level, I would show that person mercy. He has proven himself to be worthy of life, if your willing to keep fighting and fighting, then you will be granted mercy and life. But if you refuse to fight, and just let yourself be killed like a jedi. Then you have lost the will to live, and you don't deserve mercy or life....I think my buz wore off Cain:)
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Post by philly on Jun 2, 2006 22:00:24 GMT -5
Hmmm you do begin to understand, but you must realize that mercy is a weakness; one your enemy will no doubt exploit. Someone who contiues to fight has proven themselves worthy of your respect, but not mercy. Their strength is a threat to you and not taking action could ultimately lead to your own destruction. Conquering the weak will give you strength, conquering the strong will make you invincible.
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Post by Lord Nexus on Jun 2, 2006 22:05:24 GMT -5
Then that is where we part my old master. Those who have proven their worth in combat, they have earned my respect. With that respect I grant them life and another chance at it. To come back at me ten times stronger and cut me down. That is how it works....I allow the progression to happen. If I cut that boy down when he had only tapped a small portion of his potential then we would have me, a weak ruler. But by allowing him to live I have allowed progression to take place, some one stronger will take my place...Without this basic princible, you are nothing....
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Post by philly on Jun 2, 2006 22:11:07 GMT -5
A wise thought, but a flawed one. The boy weakness does not end at his physical power, his judgment is also a liability if he is challanging one so much more powerful before he is ready. Power without wisdom will lead to only one thing, death. You allowed this one to become powerful, but his ignorance remains. He would not be fit to rule, too prone to mistakes. His life would do more harm then good. By destroying your opposition you make yourself a powerful ruler. Never underestimate your own potential, it is only as high as you are willing to let it be.
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Post by Lord Nexus on Jun 2, 2006 22:17:12 GMT -5
Your twisting my words, that isn't what I said. I said if there was one close to your own power, then you should show him mercy and let him come back and try again.
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Post by philly on Jun 2, 2006 22:24:49 GMT -5
Still, the point remains, you are stronger when he challenges you. It is your duty to destroy him and strengthen yourself. Allowing anyone weaker then you (no matter how much so) to live is a mistake.
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Post by Lord Nexus on Jun 2, 2006 22:27:33 GMT -5
I disagree.
If they are considerbly weaker, then kill them.
But if they are as close to your power as can be, let them live.
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Post by philly on Jun 2, 2006 22:32:36 GMT -5
Well in the end you must decide how best to further your own power. It requires great wisdom to become a powerful Sith, and sometimes simply killing a foe is not the most effective use for them. So long as what you do is in your own best interest.
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Post by Si Quan on Jun 3, 2006 15:11:54 GMT -5
Wanting power does not make you evil, the extent to which you go to get power makes you good or bad. How far are you willing to go to get power?
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