stat remodification

[Elifain]

I have been thinking this over for a while, but it seems that most of the stats on here are not fully counted. I think we should find a way to make them more affective.
Lets start with force powers. Because some are somewhat rediculous, when you hear of them, i think some force powers should have a required stat ammount to use. Telekenisis is a lvl 1 thing, lightning combustion, and freeze, and stuff are lvl 10 and so on. You'd still have to learn the arts, but it would make it to where a lvl 1 doesn't know a godlike move, such as making a volcano in the force.
Second would be agility. Agility should affect how fast you are able to react to a situation, but should not decide who goes into battle first. The battles on this site are often sprung by one person before the other person could react, be them with a higher agility or not. It should also tie into strength, in that, if you are not fast enough to get your weapon in place for a block, you won't be able to block.
Just some idea's for now. More too add at later times.

[Cain]

Hello Elifain, my name is "The Old Stat System". You may remember me, I hung out around here about two years ago. In those days force powers were learned based on leveling up, and oh what a mess that caused. =P

I'm just going to say on the stats, there've been a lot of suggestions about them. Please, do not worry yourselves about them. I will make them clearer. It's not something I can do right now however as the games are priority number one. For now Force Powers are learned and Agility still does determine your reaction time.

[Kyllian]

THANK THE HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! IVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT THOUGHT FOR 3 WEEKS! well, now that an admin posted it, i might as well say my part *grins devilishly*.

i dont think the limitations should be limited to just the force. some of the things i do are WAY beyond kyllian's capabilities and yet no one says anything. for example: how is a guy with barely any strength and lacks the force able to run 10 or more kilometers in a few minutes and throw grenades? he should be hella tired!

[Elifain]

uuh.... kyllian, this was not brought up by a mod, it was brought up by me, and cain, i guess you have a point on the fp thing, and i was under the impression that agi did not decide reaction time. thanks for clearing that up. Now i know.

[Cain]

Uhhh... just to set the record straight, are you admitting to god modding, Kyllian? I mean, there are limitations on strength and agility but if you're just ignoring them...

And yes Elifain, agility does determine that with all other things being equal. But as I said in an earlier topic, the force power Precognition often comes into play as well.

[MikDaTv]

ok, people. the word of the day is Ratio.

the stats are not an accurate representation of your persons abilities. They are an accurate comparison of your characters abilities to everyone else's. If you want to crush planets with the force when your force power is only at level 1, you can do that. but if there is someone on the planet with a force power of 5, they can easily stop you because they are 5 times as strong as you are.

its a ratio. If i have a FP of 1 and you have a FP of 3 then you are two thirds stronger then me. If i have a FP of 99 and you have a FP of 100 then you are one one-hundredth stronger then i am. see? It doesn't measure your exact level of power, it measures your power compared to your opponents.

and Kyllian, why is your character using the force at levels that are beyond him? It's not admin's, or the rules fault your doing something you shouldn't be doing.

[Zilfer Of Shadows...]

To set the record straight for kyllian his character is supposed to be physically weak like yoda in his old age, and he uses the force to augment his body most of the time to do everyday/battle activities. I didn't however know he thought that this was beyond his own abilities? And Mik is correct about the ratio. XD

[Ragasaurus-Rex]

Mik's explanation made prefect sense to me, Though i already understood the system rather well, but I'd assume those who aren't clear on its standing would now know how it works as well.

[Kyllian]

well then a person with 40 agi is able to move faster than a person with 30 agi, right? how would the person with lower agi still be able to defend?
oh, and elifain? remember me telling you about this idea and then last week, me posting my last idea?

[Zilfer Of Shadows...]

Feb 5, 2010 0:47:33 GMT -5 Kyllian said:

well then a person with 40 agi is able to move faster than a person with 30 agi, right? how would the person with lower agi still be able to defend?
oh, and elifain? remember me telling you about this idea and then last week, me posting my last idea?

Just because you move slower or faster, doesn't mean you can't dodge a blow by someone faster then you. 30 to 40 agility is a ratio of 3/4 so your only 1/4th slower then them. Plenty of room to dodge a few attacks however you shouldn't go crazy and say you dodge every attack they throw at you, and some of them are going to be pretty close dodges.

[Ragasaurus-Rex]

Give and get is what i've always said to myself. You give yourself a little bit of whatever, Availability in this case, And get some hits, just try and be realistically fare about it. Don't see what's so hard about that, G-modding is something i have never understood, Only a moron couldn't know when their stretching the limits...am i right? lol

[Zilfer Of Shadows...]

Feb 5, 2010 5:45:57 GMT -5 Ragasaurus-Rex said:

Give and get is what i've always said to myself. You give yourself a little bit of whatever, Availability in this case, And get some hits, just try and be realistically fare about it. Don't see what's so hard about that, G-modding is something i have never understood, Only a moron couldn't know when their stretching the limits...am i right? lol

You'd be surprised.

[Kyllian]

yah.....well.....ummmm ever heard of the game StarCraft and WarCraft III?

i cheated on that up to the age of about 13 and then realized that all cheating does is make the game pointless because by cheating, you break down the games barriers and then nothing becomes a challenge. For example when someone speeds up a sniper rifle bullet that is already fast to begin with, with the force and then the target somehow stops a bullet going at least four times the speed of sound. it seems that very person who was shot at looks a bit too much like a god since he impossibly survived the torment and harm that wracked his body when it contained 2 extraplanar souls bent on destruction. thats pretty much like what i did when i was 13 and made one man with a crossbow shoot bolts faster than a machine gun so that he could then survive a battle that involved waves upon waves of undead hordes and at least 5 lich kings. its also like when my brother almost killed me when playing tekken 4 and i decided to press the kick button while standing next to him because my character reacted faster than him and i ended up locking him up so that he couldn't dodge, counterattack, or anything until he died.

bottom line is: people with power can be easily corrupted at the very moment they get it. i understand being an admin is all cool and stuff but responsibilities come first, then honor, respect, integrity, honesty, and truthfulness. i believe that most people know about the old man saying that having power is great, but using that power for the greater good is even better.

now, im not patronizing any of you guys out there. I'm simply stating my opinion upon that which is at hand. i do not mean to be rude or ignorant of the events taking place and i surely don't mean any harm upon anyone. I just want people to take this topic seriously for "estimations" and "assumptions" seem very much alike on this site.

[Cain]

Are you accusing me of cheating now?

[Zilfer Of Shadows...]

I don't think he's the only one from that topic thinks that Cain. XD I can understand his feelings however, the board were everyone can see it is definitely not the place to discuss things like this.