The Spectral Gauntlet

[grandseigneur]

Here is information on the Spectral Gauntelt and its technology.

Batroid Energy-The main type of energy used by the Spectral Gauntlet. It is harvested from a Black Dwarf star by special droids, then processed in a way that makes it the most powerful form of energy there is. Only the Spectral Gauntlet and its closest allies know how to harvest and harness its awesome power.

1.) Ships
War Ox-The most powerful ship in the spectral Gauntlet and possibly the galaxy, the War Ox is a fearsome sight to behold. Armed with over 1300 Batroid Turbolasers, and 65 plasma cannons which can only be used if all Turbolasers are deactivcated, it has been known to single-handedly defeat four Imperial Class Star Destroyers with enough energy left to continue. It is nearly the size of a Coruscant building, being over 17 miles long and 6.5 miles wide, it dwarfs all other ships it encounters.
Battle Ox-Similar to the War Ox but not as large, and with less turbolasers, it is still quite a match for other ships. Able to single-handedly take on a Star Destroyer, few wish to mess with these massive ships.
Zeraphim Fighter-A fast fighter that is designed for combat in space. It is armed with two Batroid Turboblasters, and has a shield that can protect it from 6 shots from a Republic fighter.


1.) Army Units
Goliath Assault Droid-Armed with two Hyper Batroid blasters and two high-density/Velocity chainguns and protected by Particle shielding and 9 inch thick Cortosis/Durasteel armor, the goliath Assault droid is a menace to its enemies on the battlefield.
Ghost Rider Stealth Bomber/Fighter-A fighter/bomber that has the capability of cloaking, and being a ble to attack it's enemies at the same time, this craft is a nightmare on the battlefield. It can readh speeds of up to and over 1.765 Light years every 12 hours, making it the perfect assault craft for any military.
BullBot-A type of WarBot with heavy Cortosis/durasteel armor and a heavy Batroid blaster, it is nearly impossible to stop without heavy weapons.
WarBot-The general soldier of the Spectral Gauntlet, the WarBot is armed with a Batroid Blaster and Cortosis armor. With CT (Creative thinking) thought processors, they are the ultamite Droids.
AccimilatorBot-Small, vicious droids with CT thought processors and armed with Anti-Chlorian dart shooters that tranquelize only force-users. They can move VERY fast, and make a difficult target to enemies.

((If you need to know more, Just ask!))

[philly]

Ok, everything here seems to be dependant on the "Batroid energy" Which wouldnt be a problem, but is there some way you can defend against batroid energy? A type of sheild or alloy or something? Because it cant just simply be an unstoppable form of energy.

[MikDaTv]

i only have two problems with all of those.

First Problem

first and most important is the batroid energy which just sounds rediculous.

harvested from a black dwarf star? First, while Black Dwarf sounds cool and you may have seen it in a science article somewhere, they are pure theory and none have ever been mentioned in Star Wars literature.

Second, even if we assume black dwarfs to exist (which during the star wars time period they wouldn't) they're made of pure carbon or maybe, MAYBE Boron or Iron. Their black because they DON'T give off any energy any more, they are compleatly dead.

Third, the reason why i say none would exist during the star wars time (any time period in the star wars universe) is because a black dwarf is the last stage of a stars life (it's compleate death). However, no star is old enough to have reached this point. the oldest stars we can possibly have currently (keep in mind that Star Wars is a Long Time Ago), is a white or brown dwarf, which would be like normal stars, just not as good. neither would give you any advantage in energy collection. In fact they would give you less of an advantage in energy collection.

I recomend you just drop this Batroid energy thing and use conventional weapons like everyone else. your other units are powerfull enough as it is without it.

Second Problem

What the hell is "1.765 Light years every 12 hours"
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Minor Issues

Your War Ox while cool sounding, seems a bit off. 4 impstar's with energy left over seems a bit much. perhapse 2 or 3 but taking on 4 impstars (with good captains) would be a headache for any ship.

Plasma? ditch the plasma dude. all star wars ships are equiped to handle anamolys they might find normaly in space, and that includeds large portions of plasma. Navigation shields can absorb plenty of the stuff without issue.

[grandseigneur]

Alright. First, dude, you've got to lighten up. Second, NO ONE knows what exactly is inside a Black Dwarf Star, just what we think. You've got to broaden your thinking. our knowledge of the universe is so small, it's scary. And thirdly, the Spectral Gauntlet has watched the Republic for close to 5,000 years. they have observed and studied its each and every move, tactic and technology they have used within those years. they have developed technology specificaly designed to couter their forces.

And Cain, yes, there is something that can stop it. It is a type of energy called Netronazier which nullifies harmful Batroid particles.

But Mikdatv, you have seriously got to calm down. everytime I come up with something new, you have to argue about it EVERY TIME! It's getting kind of annoying.

[MikDaTv]

the things i don't like of yours are the ultimate super weapon destructo badassery devices of ultimate doom.

*I throw rocks at you, but i enhanced them with Batroid energy, so the rocks explode on impact and penatrate your armor and hull in one hit, there's nothing you can do about it, you lose instantly.*

*I compleatly obliterate your fleet using gigantic space stations bigger then a star, you have no chance at stoping them, i award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.*

that gets kinda unfun to play against on a regular basis. Making up stuff is fine, but it's got to be within reason.

i don't mind most of your other stuff. The War Ox, even with it's massive size, is fine, as long as you keep their numbers under control. Those are fightable, i can fight them with the republics smaller fleet, it will be tough, but it can be done. Even your battle droids are flawed enough to fight in conventional battle.

But then you power them with BATROID energy, and they become some unstopable war machine.

and yes, we know what would be in a Black Dwarf star (if they exist) because we know whats in a star. some chemistry and a little bit of physics later, and you get whats in a black dwarf star. the point is, their black because they don't give off energy any more, their dead.

[grandseigneur]

Have you ever been to a Black Dwarf? Has ANYONE ever been to a Black Dwarf?! We do not know exactly what is inside them unless we travel to one and disect it. And Black Dwarfs ARE true. It is the final stage of the life of a Star if it doesn't go supergiant and go supernova. and Batroid energy is useless when it is harvested from the star, but it is manufactured in a way only the Spectral Gauntlet knows how to so it becomes and extremly powerful form of energy!

[MikDaTv]

has anyone ever been to or seen a black hole? nope, but we know whats in them. But regardless of whats in them and regardless of their existance or not, the simple FACT remains, that star wars is a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away and the universe is to young even now for black dwarf stars to even exist.

now, after the batroid energy rediculousness, you still have yet to explain what over 1.765 Light years every 12 hours means. do you mean the ship can travel 1.765 light years in a time span of 12 hours. if so, is that with hyperspace or normal propulsion? if it's with hyperspace, Why is it so slow? if it's with normal propulsion, how the hell did you get it so damn fast.

oh, and fighters are to small to carry turbolasers, reffering to your Zeraphim fighter.

[grandseigneur]

You know what I mean! Blasters!

And that is normal speed. It is so fast because it's aerodynamics, type of fuel and construction is done in a way that allows it to travel that fast. I'm not saying anymore because all that is classified.

[MikDaTv]

well, i'm asking if thats through hyperspace. because if it is, then they're very very slow.

and if it's with sublight engines then it's impossible.

[fro619]

Just a few pre-notes before I address Batroid Energy.

-I will not address any of the actual ships/vehicles designed by Grand. They aren't mine, so I would have to assume knowledge to argue for them.
-I have absolutely no idea what 1.765 Light Years in 12 hours means. How can a small-arms fighter, without the bulk of energy fueling the heavy cruisers, reach any kind of speed similar to that? Illogical.
-My knowledge of Physics and Chemistry is incomplete, so I might make an error or two...

Ahem. Moving on:

~Batroid Energy in Theory~

According to Grand, this branch of energy is derived from what can be "harvested from a Black Dwarf star by special droids, then processed in a way that makes it the most powerful form of energy there is." While I don't particularly like the automatic placement of the energy as the most powerful that there is, that's not the issue. Is this energy even possible? That depends on the following:

What is a Black Dwarf Star?

It has been argued that a Black Dwarf Star would technically be the end of a Star's life. However, if that were the case, would the star not simply collapse or dissolve? The galaxy does not function in a manner indicative of wasting precious finite energy by simply leaving it bunched up in one spot to die.

The argument has been made that the furthest we might be able to get is a Brown Dwarf Star. However, these are simply smaller protostars that never gain high enough temperatures to go through nuclear fusion of hydrogen within them. Their life span has minimal influence over that. Size is what matters.

White Dwarfs, on the other hand, are the most abundant stars in our universe (over 95%). These are said to be the final evolutionary level of stars, which would mean that they are nearest to the end of a star's life. Mostly composed of carbon and oxygen, these stars are created when Red Giants lack the temperature needed to fuse carbon.

Both stars are formed dependent on chemical composition, not age or energy. Therefore, it is speculation to say that they are devoid of energy merely because of color. A star in definition has to have energy, or else it couldn't give off heat at all. As for its chemical composition, one could reason that it would be hydrogen. This is simply because most stars spend most of their lives fusing their hydrogen, leaving mainly carbon. But a Black Dwarf Star lacks even the heat of a Brown Dwarf, which already has the inability to fuse hydrogen.

Even so, that isn't to say that they don't give off heat, or that they are old. It stands to reason that Black Dwarf Stars are actually some of the youngest stars in the galaxy, and that they are also some of the coolest. However, simply because it is young and doesn't burn brightly doesn't mean that it lacks energy.

Is harvesting energy from such a star feasible?

Aside from the obvious hazard issues, it is theoretically possible to harvest energy from a star. Simply put, the Star Forge did so in KotoR 1, so it would be foolish to deny the possibility. According to Grand, "Only the Spectral Gauntlet and its closest allies know how to harvest and harness its awesome power."

Through the use of "special droids", harvesting of this energy is done, and it is a method known only to the Spectral Gauntlet. As such, I can hardly presume to relay my own beliefs, as I can't know what Grand was thinking. However, it is quite possible that this energy could be harvested through some means or other.

Then, there is the issue of refining and using the energy harvested. Grand has said nothing about these methods, calling it "classified". However, I highly doubt that the Spectral Gauntlet simply plugs the unrefined energy of a star into their machinery. There is likely some special method that, once again, only SG knows.

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Well, that mess was quite difficult to sift through. >_>

[MikDaTv]

black dwarf stars are made of carbon, most likely in diamond form because of the pressure.

they supposedly occur when the star exhausts the last of its energy and all thats left is carbon. The density of the star and the gravity compresses the carbon into diamonds.

So while they'd be great for breaking the Da Bears monopoly, they're not so good for energy production... unless instead of diamonds they get compressed into Dilithium Crystals.

[fro619]

Where are you getting that information from? According to your earlier posts, Black Dwarf Stars are naught but theoretical, so how can you state that information as fact? Not to mention how illogical it is....

But assuming a scenario in which your assessment is correct, Black Dwarves would actually be prime suppliers of energy. Carbon is one of the building blocks of life, and life cannot exist without energy. Even in a condensed and expended state, Black Dwarves would need some kind of energy to compress as you describe. This energy would be far less hazardous to harvest than that from a hotter, larger star.

[Cain]

Well... this brings me back. Too bad this debate has been long since resolved. =P I applaud you Negi for doing something as seemingly futile as defending Grand, but feasible or not, the underlying issue with this or any of Grand's ideas is the incomprehensible amount of godmodding that goes along with them. So this thread is finished, but if you'd like to continue debating the existence of black dwarf stars, you're free to use the debate thread.