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Post by Cain on Sept 22, 2007 16:30:02 GMT -5
Brainwashed? You honestly believe people can be brainwashed? Let me tell you one thing. Those 10 weeks of basic training are spent learning how to fight and kill, not being brainwashed. Those Marines you talk to know what the hell is going on, they've been there. So while their busy getting shot at and avoiding road side bombs, training the Iraqi military, protecting their buddies, and having the odd RPG fired at them here and there, you have the nerve to tell them and us that their not in a War. Oh no, all those dead infantrymen, family men and friends died fighting JUST a "Conflict" or JUST a "religious battle." So these guys come back to base after a long day of killing and being killed, they log onto the internet and one of them finds this thread. And to his surprise, he finds out that he's not fighting this war for his Commanding officer. He's not fighting this war to protect his buddies and squadmates. He's night fighting this war for the betterment of a people. No, he's fighting, because he's been brainwashed. You sir have a lot of nerve, and very little respect for those guys. Okay first of all. Fuck you. Never tell me that I don't respect the guys over there. Never say that to me again. Apparently, you misunderstand me dumbass. What I mean is when I talk to them why they are over there because of the stupid president, they say that he's a good man AFTER they said before that hes a dumbass. Never tell me again that I have no respect for those boys over there. I just have no respect for the man who put them over there. Calling someone brainwashed is disrespectful. But I really don't care. This is why I didn't want this thread to be about personal politics. Now if you'd like to discuss Iraq (in a civilized fasion mind you) then you can create a thread about it. But for this thread I don't want to here anything else about Iraq unless it's directly related to the existance of true peace. |
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Post by bruinfamer on Sept 22, 2007 16:50:43 GMT -5
W.e, I am not gonna sit here and argue with someone miles away about the war in Iraq. We all have our different opinions, so I will respect his. I am just saying what I think, until someone says I have little respect for those soldiers. Did I ever say that? No. Will I ever say that? No.
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Post by Cain on Sept 22, 2007 16:52:25 GMT -5
It's ok will. Let's just end it now before we totally lose track of what this thread was about in the first place.
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Post by bruinfamer on Sept 22, 2007 17:24:51 GMT -5
Well I might as well appologize with Mik. Sorry. I don't know what war is, nor will I never will. I shouldn't judge what goes on over there. I just hate the reason why we are over there. I am kinda mixed, yet I don't blame the Insurgents. Yeah, they do that stuff to innocent civilians and behead people, but can you blame them? In their eyes, we are probably terrorists to them.
That is all I will say in this topic.
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Post by Zilfer Of Shadows... on Sept 22, 2007 18:35:08 GMT -5
So i need a recount.
How many people think peace = not possible. World wide that is. Other then cain's reasons, which i agree with.
POWER!!!!!!! UNLIMITED POWER!!!!
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Post by MikDaTv on Sept 22, 2007 23:19:27 GMT -5
What I mean is when I talk to them why they are over there because of the stupid president, they say that he's a good man AFTER they said before that hes a dumbass. And they're actually being apart of the situation couldn't possibly have any effect on their minds changing. It MUST be brainwashing. yes, your logic is undeniable [/Sarcasm] Never tell me again that I have no respect for those boys over there. I just have no respect for the man who put them over there. you have plenty of respect for them, yet you discredit their intelligence by saying their decisions must be the effect of some government scheme, instead of their own free will. Yeah, i can see how i got confused. Yeah, they do that stuff to innocent civilians and behead people, but can you blame them? Hell yes i can. They do stuff to civilians while we tie our own hands to avoid as many civilians as possible. So i need a recount. How many people think peace = not possible. World wide that is. Other then cain's reasons, which i agree with. POWER!!!!!!! UNLIMITED POWER!!!! Peace is the goal of the good. Weather it can be reached or not is not is something we decide for ourselves. But it does exist. |
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Post by bruinfamer on Sept 23, 2007 8:40:19 GMT -5
Alrighty then, whatever.
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Post by Zilfer Of Shadows... on Sept 23, 2007 23:21:54 GMT -5
What I mean is when I talk to them why they are over there because of the stupid president, they say that he's a good man AFTER they said before that hes a dumbass. And they're actually being apart of the situation couldn't possibly have any effect on their minds changing. It MUST be brainwashing. yes, your logic is undeniable [/Sarcasm] you have plenty of respect for them, yet you discredit their intelligence by saying their decisions must be the effect of some government scheme, instead of their own free will. Yeah, i can see how i got confused. Hell yes i can. They do stuff to civilians while we tie our own hands to avoid as many civilians as possible. So i need a recount. How many people think peace = not possible. World wide that is. Other then cain's reasons, which i agree with. POWER!!!!!!! UNLIMITED POWER!!!! Peace is the goal of the good. Weather it can be reached or not is not is something we decide for ourselves. But it does exist. If it cannot be reached, or obtained then it's not possible. |
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Post by MikDaTv on Sept 24, 2007 9:21:44 GMT -5
If it cannot be reached, or obtained then it's not possible. Wow, thanks for writing down the definition of "not possible." what would we do without you Captain Obvious? |
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Post by Zilfer Of Shadows... on Sept 24, 2007 10:53:27 GMT -5
If it cannot be reached, or obtained then it's not possible. Wow, thanks for writing down the definition of "not possible." what would we do without you Captain Obvious? If that was obvious then you agree that your statement about Peace is false. True Peace is not obtainable, nor does it exist. |
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Post by Si Quan on Sept 24, 2007 18:27:02 GMT -5
Who's to say what you call True Peace is actually peace? Maybe it's not that peace is unachievable, and that a peace that we can reach is actually True Peace. Or maybe I'm crazy.
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Post by bruinfamer on Sept 24, 2007 19:28:00 GMT -5
I am sure this has already been said, but maybe war obtains peace.
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Post by Darth Nergul on Sept 25, 2007 2:30:55 GMT -5
I remember why peace is impossible!
"They blew it up! They really blew it up! Damn them all to Hell!"
What movie is this from, and what got blown up?
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Post by MikDaTv on Sept 25, 2007 10:12:04 GMT -5
Wow, thanks for writing down the definition of "not possible." what would we do without you Captain Obvious? If that was obvious then you agree that your statement about Peace is false. True Peace is not obtainable, nor does it exist. i'm not agreeing to anything you said. The problem, is you didn't say anything. you basically said "if peace is not possible, it's not possible." Which isn't really a statement. As i said, peace is the goal of the good. Peace isn't always obtained through war or fighting though. And Si brings up a good point. "True Peace" needs to be properly defined. I mean, if we're talking utopia, then i'd tell you your crazy to think something like that could happen. on the other side of the coin though, World peace would be easy under a world government or a series of puppet governments, we'd have to ask ourselves if thats right or not. forcing people into a world wide nation isn't exactly the moral solution to world peace. |
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Post by Zilfer Of Shadows... on Sept 25, 2007 10:43:59 GMT -5
A little rule of thumb i like to go by. If you think one way, someone's going to think the other way. Set up a world government and someone's going to try and take it down. Of course dont set one up and someone will try and set one up.
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