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Post by Christopher Enyar on Nov 30, 2007 9:46:48 GMT -5
Alright, just because this has been going around everywhere, thought I'd ask: Who d you think would win, the pirate, or the Ninja? Whether one on one, or multiple.
The Scenario in my head: A single ninja infiltraits a Pirate ship. Most of the pirates are drunk, except the Captain. The ninja is armed with five Shuriken, and a ninja sword (I know there is an official name, but most might not get it. The captain has a holstered pistol and a rapier. The ninja goes in for the kill, but the captain spots him when the ninja is five feet away. You can assume anything, but note that this age of guns is not the most accurate models, and only one shot till ya have to reload.
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Post by Akunin on Nov 30, 2007 11:47:05 GMT -5
I don't like either. I like Samurais and the Navy.
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Post by Drake on Nov 30, 2007 11:55:58 GMT -5
I'll have to give it to the ninja...
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Post by MikDaTv on Nov 30, 2007 13:07:32 GMT -5
Pirates have guns. Guns > swords. Ninja's have swords. Pirates > Ninja's
Giant Robots > EVERYTHING
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Post by Zilfer Of Shadows... on Nov 30, 2007 14:24:25 GMT -5
depends on what type of ninja your talking about, becuase ninjas most of the time didnt wear black suits and run around at night, they would desiguise themselves, and also Ninjas ARE better then samurai, the samurai feared the ninjas as demon's with unnatural powers. Including flying, jumping really high, disappearing into the woods and even walking on water. Now ninjas would not be a guy going around in a black suit, he would be the guy down the road that has been there for 2 years, and was cutting a bush down younder as a enemy samurai goes by he simply slices his neck off and contiunes on cutting a bush. There was once a thing to test a ninja's effectiveness.
They where to flip off the cap of this captain guy set in charge of a base, they where supposed to kill him and get out with as many men alive, and kill the least amount of the enemies guys as possible.
They first sent in an army with guns(laser, if it hit they where considered dead) well the army went in and killed a bunch of normal soldiers and finaly killed the captain of the base, and got away with a few soldiers left. Next they sent in the marines and they went in killing less soldiers of the enemy, killing the captain again, and getting out, but they still lost men. Now for the ninja, they sent him in by himself, he disguised himself as a painter and started to paint a wall inside the building for 2 hours. During that 2 hours, everyone was waiting for the ninja, and also during that 2 hours someone came up and asked him what he was doing. He told them that he was supposed to paint this wall. Now of course this guy hadn't heard of a painter supposed to be here so he told the leader who came out and the ninja turned around to him and flipped of his cap which signafied his death and then sitantly booked for a window and jumped out from the second story into the brush, Killing only his target way better then the marines or the army.
I dont know about you but i think that says something. =P btw Who says a ninja wouldn't use guns? A true ninja back in the day would have been disguised as on of the crew for a few months out at sea before the killing the captain. Or he wouldnt take the dirrect approach to him anyways. Unless he was a stupid ninja. IF he was going to do the Black suit way, he probably would have climbed the out side of the ship with bear claws got to the window and shot a posionis dart into the man's neck from where he was sleeping or walking back and forth or sitting. Or a shuriken into him. And if he where really good he might do what chris just said but that pirate would go down easily compared to a ninja. Ninja is basicaly the eqivalent of a spy even though the streotype has almost completely ruined their image.
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Post by MikDaTv on Nov 30, 2007 14:39:46 GMT -5
Ok, you lost all respect at "There once was a thing to test a Ninja's effectiveness"
and Ninja's don't use guns. It's a well known fact.
they also don't fall in love. They glide silently into love with two swords drawn.
and if a Ninja were a food, they'd probably be a cream puff. Except, instead of cream, it would be boiling lava, and instead of powdered sugar, it would be covered in powdered swords.
and Ninja's also don't make noise. and if they do, it's probably the last noise you'll ever hear.
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Post by Akunin on Nov 30, 2007 15:00:23 GMT -5
In other words, they have absolutely no honor. And don't say they do, because it is an absolute, well-known fact they have none. Samurai are the true warriors. Ninjas are just cowards who can't fight, so they use tricks. It's actually very pathetic once you think about it.
I have had this argument many times before and I have plenty of things to say. If you want to start this argument, be my guest.
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Post by MikDaTv on Nov 30, 2007 15:44:38 GMT -5
In other words, they have absolutely no honor. And don't say they do, because it is an absolute, well-known fact they have none. which is why they win. They understand their occupation and they don't try to flower it up as some romantic calling.
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Post by Akunin on Nov 30, 2007 15:58:09 GMT -5
Flower it up? Ha! They don't flower it up. They serve their lord with undeniable passion in an honorable manner and will even kill themselves for their lord if the need arises. I heard a rumor that ninjas were once samurai. They were just to cowardly to serve their lord and ran off like prissies. In hand-to-hand combat, a ninja would get his/her ass kicked three ways from yesterday!
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Post by MikDaTv on Nov 30, 2007 16:31:49 GMT -5
Flower it up? Ha! They don't flower it up. They serve their lord with undeniable passion in an honorable manner and will even kill themselves for their lord if the need arises. and now your flowering up their occupation. They're soldiers. and while they might be really good soldiers, gussying it up with crap like Honor, and passion, both of which have no place in war. I heard a rumor that ninjas were once samurai. I heard that to. i can't confirm it though. although, i wouldn't be surprised. They were just to cowardly to serve their lord and ran off like prissies. Actually, Samurai without a master are called Ronin's, and they were more like high class mercenaries then Ninja's In hand-to-hand combat, a ninja would get his/her ass kicked three ways from yesterday! oh really? I'd be curious to know how you came by this information, considering there haven't been any Ninja's OR Samurai for a very long time.
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Post by Darth Nergul on Nov 30, 2007 18:53:24 GMT -5
Ninjas used bows as well. Doesn't make the sound of the gun, and in the hands of a skill marksman, get kill with far more efficiency. Now I voted before I read the post. It all depends on the environment. If the ninja is too far from being able to get cover and if the captain has really good aim, he will die. If he can hide behind something hard then he can wait. The pirate may shoot his shot need to reload, giving the ninja a chance to use a shuriken or run up to him and spill his blood close and personal. If the pirate gets frustrated and comes over with his rapier, the ninja might be able to kill him. Lastly, if the pirate misses his shot in the open and the ninja throws his shuriken, then he will win in that way.
Ninjas weren't only assassins. They were basically mercenaries. They made their way of life just like the Samurai did. They both knew their place. Anyways, no one can tell if a ninja would suck in hand-to-hand combat, but I don't think he would. Whoever trains these guys would want them to be able to fend for themselves if they get caught, wouldn't they.
Lastly I just got to say. I'm Asian. I'm supposed to like ninjas. My post could be considered bias...
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Post by Drake on Nov 30, 2007 18:55:50 GMT -5
Actually Ninja's do have honor...though it may not be what you call honor. Honor for you maybe killing your openent in a fair fight, but however a Ninja's honor resides in their skills. If a ninja fails to kill their target then all they can do to regain their lost honor is kill themselves.
That alone suggest that they hold sometype of honor. Once again honor varies from person to person, a one on one fight with rules may seem honorable to you but its utterly stupid to me I'm tryin to get the first blow and not stop until the person can't move. And say what you will but I have my own saying about honor
"There is no honor in defeat..."
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Post by Cain on Nov 30, 2007 21:08:09 GMT -5
Well... as to the question at hand. Ninjas are stealthy warriors whose job is to kill. Pirates are drunken theives. Now Mik is right when he says you don't bring a sword to a gun fight, because guns are clearly > swords. But the way a Ninja fights, that doesn't matter. The drunken pirate would be dead before he even realized there was a fight. There's no contest here really.
Ninjas > Pirates
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Post by Zilfer Of Shadows... on Nov 30, 2007 21:10:47 GMT -5
Ok, you lost all respect at "There once was a thing to test a Ninja's effectiveness" and Ninja's don't use guns. It's a well known fact. they also don't fall in love. They glide silently into love with two swords drawn. and if a Ninja were a food, they'd probably be a cream puff. Except, instead of cream, it would be boiling lava, and instead of powdered sugar, it would be covered in powdered swords. and Ninja's also don't make noise. and if they do, it's probably the last noise you'll ever hear. dont use guns? that's a lie. They use whatever's at their disposal. They dont fall in love? again, a lie. You have alot of the ninja stero types down. As drake said they do have honor, just not your type of honor. They where assassin's but all there missions wheren't assassinations. Also they fought on battle fields. A samurai kicking a ninja's ass? LMFAO first of all the samurai would be scared shitless, of a ninja, second of all, the ninja would easily kill them, espeicaly if it was in a castle since their swords are build shorter for the hallways of a castle, and held straight out so you cant tell how long their sword is, making the samurai have to assume its as long as their blade, making a miscalculation which can be deadly. A ninja in hand to hand combat would kick your butt. compared to normal soldiers i would say. They are trained to complete their missions, whether it be assassination, infultraction, infromation gathering, battle winning, assassination on battle field, or just general disguise to spy on enemy. A shogun would hire a ninja, and his enemy would too, the main target of the ninja was the enemy shogun and taking out the other ninja. Since they where Highly skilled compared to normal samurai since original ninjas where farmers who trained themselves becuase of the samurai. If you even came into a ninja's territory you would most likely not come back alive, even if you entered his house he could escape because weapons would be hidden all over the house and secret passage ways to get behind you. anyways done for now. A ninja would beat the pirate if the pirate did not know the ninja was coming for him, and even if he did, i dont think he would win, since i dont know if the ninja is wearing armor, and how powerful of a gun we are talking about the pirate having.
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Post by Darth Nergul on Dec 1, 2007 0:16:17 GMT -5
What do you mean by "the enemy Shogun". Hopefully you don't mean there were two Shoguns...
A ninja who fails his first attempt at assassination is a dead one, most of the time. A movie about ninja failures is on Youtube. Its from Shogun: Total War. One example is that a ninja was disguised as a simple farmer. He was pushing what looked like a cart and his target was in front of him. The cart shot out a bolt which missed the target. The ninja then took out his sword and charged, but was cut down in one strike by the samurai (not sure if it really was a samurai).
Ninja were highly feared by everyone, but that made them more aware. They would stay aware. I could give another example, but that is up to you. If ninjas were better then everyone in any type of combat, we would just use them for armies, now wouldn't we.
Disguises are a ninja's best weapon. This brings me back to a picture where I saw a place being attacked. One samurai of the same clan (or it looked like it) was impaling another samurai. And guess what. The caption said that the guy who was killing the other guy was a ninja in disguise. Utter chaos. One very dangerous disguise is the geisha. Who would expect a woman servant (or was it slave.. hmm) to assassinate someone when they wanted their tea back then?
I have no proof that a ninja would fall in love or not. I also don't know if they ever used guns. I know they would only use the gun if they had no other options. Love could also be distracting, but it could happen. They could also "love" their target, but in the end stab him/her in the back. Lastly, not even a ninja can dodge a bullet from a great marksman, in clear range, of course. A guard could shoot them when they're sneaking around if they aren't careful. A bullet is pretty damn fast, and unless the ninja is completely aware that a guy wants to blast his brains out, he's screwed.
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