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Post by Zilfer Of Shadows... on Jul 12, 2006 11:30:28 GMT -5
in darkness there is light. Becuase if there is no light then there is no darkness becuase lack of light to comepar it to making it nothing. A state of nothing does not exist either so In darkness there is always light other wise it wouldnt be darkness. Like to know if you are doing right you must first know what is wrong. YOu have to have both sides.
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Post by MikDaTv on Jul 12, 2006 11:46:50 GMT -5
in darkness there is light. Becuase if there is no light then there is no darkness becuase lack of light to comepar it to making it nothing. A state of nothing does not exist either so In darkness there is always light other wise it wouldnt be darkness. Like to know if you are doing right you must first know what is wrong. YOu have to have both sides. i'm not really talking about right and wrong though. i'm just trying to say how the light and darkness thing is a bad analogy for the subject because the force is not like physical light. its not "if there is more of one there is less of the other." A state of nothing does not exist either i know a few physicists who would disagree with you.  Becuase if there is no light then there is no darkness becuase lack of light to comepar it to making it nothing. might make it mean nothing, but its still there. Darkness is by definition, the absence of light. the reason the light and dark analogy is bad however, is that the definition of light, is not the absence of darkness. and no, we don't have to have both sides. thats rediculous. if there is no evil, there would be only good and thats... well... kinda good. why ruin that with trying to balance it with evil. |
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Post by philly on Jul 12, 2006 22:28:53 GMT -5
I don't care what you call it; good, evil, dark, light, black, white. So long as I have my power...
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Post by Zilfer Of Shadows... on Jul 14, 2006 0:52:55 GMT -5
if you have no good then you do know now what evil is. There for there can be no evil. Its like if you never seen a good foot ball game in your life and you went to see a foot ball game. Yeah it was good but how do you know it was good? You dont know what a good games score is so in fact you dont know and that comes down to a matter of oppinion of wheter you think the score was a good game. Choise is everything. You cannot have one side without first knowing the other.
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Post by Zilfer Of Shadows... on Jul 14, 2006 0:58:32 GMT -5
electromagnetic radiation that can produce a visual sensation;
we cant see radiation. only its reflection off of surrfaces. blue things absorb all colors but blue. it reflects blue. Red the same thing.
meanwhile black absorbs all light. and White reflects all colors. Now if it reflects colors all of them that means that it has an absence of black becuase black is no colors.
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Post by philly on Jul 14, 2006 17:35:09 GMT -5
^actually, black is all colors.
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Post by MikDaTv on Jul 20, 2006 12:40:53 GMT -5
please, don't give my a physics lesson.
and comparing good an evil to a football game is incrdibly flawed. now i am the first person to say that there will always be evil in the world, but the two are not linked. one can do only good deads for his entire life, it is possible. on the other side of the coin is the fact that one can do evil deeds for their entire life.
what i'm trying to say is, that good and evil do not need each other in order to exist. good is not the absence of evil just as evil is not the absence of good. there is no balance required.
now i must say, on a side not to all of this. that all you who say you are gray force users all seem to hold ideals very similer with the Sith. i also feel that i must remind you all that there is no "Gray Side" of the force, only The Force, and its shadow, The Dark Side of the force.
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Post by Zilfer Of Shadows... on Jul 20, 2006 16:05:28 GMT -5
hahahahahaha, never do one bad deed and do all good? impossible. Our mind will not alow it there is no one in the world that has not done anything for themself. Same the other way. Even crimals have done stuff for other people at one time or another. As for the grey side that is the relatation that you cannot be totaly Pure or totaly corrupt.
WE hold view similar to the sith? NO SHIT. We are made from both views of SITH and JEDI. he have simalar views to both of them and some views that neither one holds.
yes cain. black is all colors becuase it absorbs all colors. didnt i make that clear?
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Post by philly on Jul 20, 2006 19:08:38 GMT -5
You tell me.
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Post by MikDaTv on Jul 21, 2006 1:43:44 GMT -5
Black is no color, not all of them.
think. shine white light through a prisim and what do you get? all the colors.
for paints and stuff, yes, black is all the colors mixed.
now. what ideals do "Gray" jedi hold that are similer to that of the jedi?
and also, please name one, just one, gray jedi in the actual star wars realm.
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Post by Si Quan on Jul 21, 2006 9:15:58 GMT -5
Since when is this about colors?
Anyway, black is when no colors are reflected, and white, the opposite, is when all colors are reflected.
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Post by Zilfer Of Shadows... on Jul 21, 2006 10:51:11 GMT -5
grey jedi hold the value of helping the innocent like the jedi. there is your one* simalar trait to the jedi. dun dun dun!
as for naming some one. Revan could arguably be a grey jedi. becuase techincaly he was a sith but he was uniting the universe to save them from a greater threat. The "True Sith". He does Evil yes but he saves countless lives in the porcess, but as well all know the plan must have failed becuase he is in the outer regions now.
Cain quote the whole sentance next time. Black is all colors combined yes but it doesnt reflect light so it is no colors, When we look at it.
lol si quan you just said what i said. like a monkey. >.> <.< lol.
anyways they are opposites. And cannot have one with out the other. We are in a world full of opposites.
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Post by MikDaTv on Jul 21, 2006 11:32:49 GMT -5
grey jedi hold the value of helping the innocent like the jedi. there is your one* simalar trait to the jedi. dun dun dun! Funny, there are many a Sith who became a sith for the sake of helping innocent people, like Vader, Revan, Luke. but they were dark jedi, not some middle ground. as for naming some one. Revan could arguably be a grey jedi. becuase techincaly he was a sith but he was uniting the universe to save them from a greater threat. The "True Sith". He does Evil yes but he saves countless lives in the porcess, but as well all know the plan must have failed becuase he is in the outer regions now. Revan was a sith... plain and simple. he was corrupted by the dark side and became a sith. anyways they are opposites. And cannot have one with out the other. We are in a world full of opposites. we can have one without the other. one side does not depend on the other for its existance. trying to apply a ying yang thing just doesn't work. let me remind you that the force is sentient. Jedi are allies with the force, while dark jedi use it as a tool, then end up being the ones who are used. the dark side warps your mind and controls you. using the dark side in any capacity corrupts you. look at jacen solo... thinking that he found a way to be balanced, using light and dark. he fell to the dark sides corruption. Jollee bindo... was a jedi, just not a part of the order. he still linked with jedi beliefs. |
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Post by philly on Jul 21, 2006 15:09:15 GMT -5
*sigh* ok here is the arguement for the gray jedi. What I am about to write is not necissarily what I believe, but what they believe as far as I understand it.
1. Saying the Gray Jedi have traits in common with both the Jedi and the Sith, and that is what defines them is an incorrect way of looking at it. The Gray Jedi, as we have come to know them here, are all about balance and freewill.
2. The Jedi need the Sith and the Sith need the Jedi. Without the Sith, there'd be no need for Jedi; who needs Keepers of the peace when there's no one to disturb the peace? And without the Jedi, the Sith would have no one to check their power and one of two things would happen; either they'd turn on each other and destroy themselves, or they'd become weak and eventually be wiped out by some other race.
3. Jolee Bindo was a Gray Jedi, that is a fact. Maybe not exactly by the definition zilfer uses, but he was.
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Post by Zilfer Of Shadows... on Jul 21, 2006 17:29:58 GMT -5
mik look you just named 2 people who are grey and went there own path. jolee is definatly a grey jedi if there ever was one. lol. basicaly what cain said above^.
Ever heard of something called the Tao? (ernounced Doa, ike duhoww.)
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