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Post by MikDaTv on Jul 21, 2006 18:55:21 GMT -5
2. The Jedi need the Sith and the Sith need the Jedi. Without the Sith, there'd be no need for Jedi; who needs Keepers of the peace when there's no one to disturb the peace? And without the Jedi, the Sith would have no one to check their power and one of two things would happen; either they'd turn on each other and destroy themselves, or they'd become weak and eventually be wiped out by some other race. What? the Jedi were in existance for thousands of years without the Sith. that is a horribly rediculous statement. there are always people who disturb the peace. hell, jedi were around for thousands of years before the sith were ever thought of. and it is impossible for Jollee bindo to be a neutral force user because as i have said before. there is no Neutral side to the force. he ether held to the Jedi ideals but did not hold himself accountable to the councle (which is what most believe since he wasn't a dark jedi) or he was falling to the dark side. here is an observation though. this subject has been debated so many times and the one thing i find constant through all of the arguments is this. the people who think there are Gray jedi are ethere A) antihero (Wolverien) fans or B) Anime show fans |
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Post by philly on Jul 21, 2006 19:05:59 GMT -5
Well as I said before, that is not my opinion, just what the Gray Jedi believe.
Could not agree more. Especially with B
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Post by Si Quan on Jul 21, 2006 19:24:18 GMT -5
Heh, it always comes back to anime
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Post by Zilfer Of Shadows... on Jul 21, 2006 20:30:06 GMT -5
or either C neutral.
the jedi exsisted many years with out the sith no. becuase there is always one amounst the group that is bad. they may not show it but they are bad with the dark side of the force. its like before teh star wars episode one. there had not been "sith" but there had been dark jedi. which use the dark side of the force. qui gon's first student fell to the dark side obi wan was very lucky to have been choisen by qui gon. qui gon didnt want another padawan. and second of all the sith dont always make there persence know to the galaxy. obviously sidous was around for a hell a long time. then also his master and his before. The sith never truly disappear. They are always some where. not always in veiw. Who's going to be and idiot when they are out numbered 100000000 to 1? not the sith. Also how you stated that there is always some one to disturb the peace? do you think every single force sensitive is found by the jedi? do you really think there is no bounty hunter that is force sensitive? being able to see things before they happen is a good trick. do you think all villains are not force sensitive? hello? they will use the dark side of the force unconcously. There will always be a light side and a dark side of the force. one cannot live with out the other.
So tell me why are some force powers neutral? used by both sides? doesnt that make the sith and jedi hold simalar values? of force powers?
A grey jedi will do what he thinks is right wether it be good or evil, right or wrong, light or dark, cowardly or heroicly. on the path to the dark side does it just cut off right at the dark side? is both of the sides black and white with no grey? one does not go from the light side to the dark side in an instant. There are events the slowly over time move them to one side or another. one does not go from the dark side to the light instantly. A jedi must convince him of his dout. jolee was a grey jedi. He did not Think about what was right and wrong becuase thoughs are views. He sat and observed that happened in the universe with out taking action. A grey jedi does what he wishes. Consider them open ends. free lancers what ever you will. hired hands. ect.
jolee's robe in kotor 2 is a grey jedi robe. hello? you have to be neutral for gods sake to wear it. would a jedi be able to use it no! a sith ? no! only a grey. whethere you like it, admit it, or acnoledge it there are grey jedi. ones who play both sides, one's who stay back, ones who have there own agenda.
didnt wolverien work for the good side? Was he good or evil? Also wasnt revan a anti hero? he did bad things but for a greater good.
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Post by MikDaTv on Jul 21, 2006 22:31:44 GMT -5
So tell me why are some force powers neutral? used by both sides? doesnt that make the sith and jedi hold simalar values? of force powers? was that a joke? please tell me that was a joke? you arn't really applying video game rules to a mystical energy field are you. A grey jedi does what he wishes. ok, lets do some quick defining here. a... Jedi = a person or persons who use a mystical energy field. they use this power with the utmost responsibility, using its power only for the good of others. Dark Jedi = A person or persons who use a mystical energy field. they use this power with very little, if any, responsibility. for their own good and sometimes the good of others. Grey Jedi = a person or persons who use a mystical energy field. they use this power with very little, if any, responsibility for their own good and sometimes the good of others. they just don't like being called bad guys so they try and be tricky and call themselves something less dark but not all the way light. jolee's robe in kotor 2 is a grey jedi robe. hello? you have to be neutral for gods sake to wear it. would a jedi be able to use it no! a sith ? no! only a grey. so your basing a persons ability to wear clothing on the clothings color? well, you know. i don't always look best in green, but i can still wear it. didnt wolverien work for the good side? Was he good or evil? Also wasnt revan a anti hero? he did bad things but for a greater good. Heros like wolverine and the punisher were antihero's. they thought they were doing the right things but thought the ends always justified the means. the punisher never had a problem with killing his targets. Hero's like spiderman never killed anyone. they simply brought them to justice. |
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Post by Lord Nexus on Jul 22, 2006 17:09:26 GMT -5
The Punisher is badass, don't go talkin trash on him...
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Post by Lord Nexus on Jul 22, 2006 17:28:37 GMT -5
Gray Jedi was a term, sometimes used pejoratively, that described Jedi who were thought to operate independently and often outside the strictures of the High Council.
The term itself seems to date back as far as the Old Sith Wars. Certainly, during this time period, Gray Jedi themselves seem to have become associated even with a certain variety of robe. In the following millennia, the term continued to increase in usage, most likely due to the increasing trend towards centralization of power in the Order, and the increased prominence of the Jedi Council itself.
Most Gray Jedi had a tense relationship with the Council – while, for most intents and purposes, they were loyal members of the Jedi Order, their maverick natures often put them into conflict with it, especially against more conservative members of the Council.
Although gray was also used to refer to force users believed to skirt the line between the light side and dark side, Gray Jedi were not exclusively followers of such a creed.
Indeed Qui-Gon Jinn himself, one of the most famous of the so-named Gray Jedi, was a staunch adherent of the Living Force, and as much aware of the dark side's lure as any of his peers.
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Post by Zilfer Of Shadows... on Jul 22, 2006 17:56:50 GMT -5
dududududu!^
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Post by Lord Nexus on Jul 22, 2006 18:01:44 GMT -5
Umm. Mik is mostly right in the technicle sense Zifler, your only partially correct.
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Post by Zilfer Of Shadows... on Jul 22, 2006 18:06:21 GMT -5
So tell me why are some force powers neutral? used by both sides? doesnt that make the sith and jedi hold simalar values? of force powers? was that a joke? please tell me that was a joke? you arn't really applying video game rules to a mystical energy field are you. ok, lets do some quick defining here. a... Jedi = a person or persons who use a mystical energy field. they use this power with the utmost responsibility, using its power only for the good of others. Dark Jedi = A person or persons who use a mystical energy field. they use this power with very little, if any, responsibility. for their own good and sometimes the good of others. Grey Jedi = a person or persons who use a mystical energy field. they use this power with very little, if any, responsibility for their own good and sometimes the good of others. they just don't like being called bad guys so they try and be tricky and call themselves something less dark but not all the way light. no i'm applying it to the force. There are force powers used by both sides making it neutral. simple. also the sith are responsible otherwise they wouldnt have power. No not the color the ailenment. grey = neutral. dont see how you got that confused. didnt wolverien work for the good side? Was he good or evil? Also wasnt revan a anti hero? he did bad things but for a greater good. hero's do kill there enemys. Even jedi kill some of there enemys. HEllo? spider man did not kill one soul in his life? i dont think so. I guess batman is an anti hero to then. Becuase he goes above the law. Of course neither does super man .... but i'll leave cain out of this. (lmfao) I think superman killed some of his enemys as well not sure though. anyways just cuase they kill dont make them not heros. would you kill somebody to save everyone you know from death? |
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Post by Zilfer Of Shadows... on Jul 22, 2006 18:08:14 GMT -5
technicaly this wouldnt matter becuase its not real is it?
and mik. Wouldnt this all simply mean that grey jedi are anti heros? or anti villains? or anti whatever's.
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Post by Lord Nexus on Jul 22, 2006 18:16:26 GMT -5
As I'm almost sure Mik would say, ' There anti-reality. '
p.s. get on aim zif
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Post by Zilfer Of Shadows... on Jul 22, 2006 18:18:24 GMT -5
i gtg go soon so that's why i didnt get on.
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Post by Lord Nexus on Jul 22, 2006 18:23:12 GMT -5
BASTARD
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Post by MikDaTv on Jul 22, 2006 22:50:19 GMT -5
give me one instance where spiderman killed his enemy. one instance where blood was on his hands. sure the villans, die, but not at the hands of the hero's. the hero's defeat the enemy, then turn them over to the police to be locked up in the vault.
Superman never killed his enemy's ether. he would only knock them out and drop them off at a nearby police station.
wolverine and the punisher would kill as their first action.
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